Brighton 0 Town 0

[jacko1950]

Well, I am sad to say,that this was definately a win game for Town. A team with 2 wins out of 13 at home, and LC says it is a point won.

It sounded on the radio like we were lucky to get a point, being pretty much batterered by Brighton.

The problems are so many it is dificult to know where to start, we have no shape, no midfield, no one who can score....in fact I think LC has lost the plot.

Say goodbye now to the play-offs.

sorry, just not good enough

[Mirfielder]

Jacko.

You're a defeatist - OK so we might be struggling at the moment to find a settled side and are going through a sticky patch, but put your trust in LC to get it right and get us into the play-off's.

I would'nt mind your defeatist attitude as much, if we did'nt have the best home record in the league, what is it now, 15 games undefeated and 35 points from the 45 max available and we've even started to pick up a few away points and you are now throwing the towel in.

We only need to beat Swindon on Saturday and I suppose you will then be telling us that we might just about sneak a play-off place.

Tell you what, it's a good job our soldiers did'nt have your defeatist attitude in the last war, otherwise we would now be playing in the Bundesliga.

[fatlad]

Brighton away is always difficult, A point from a visit to the withdean is a good point to gain wherever they are in the league, If someone had offered me the position, we are in the league, at this moment in time, with a manager with 12 months experience, and a young team, full of potentially very good players, at the beginning of the season, Then i would have bit their hand off, The team may not be playing with much verve or swagger, but we are grinding out points, we aint lost in six, and we aint played well in any of em, Lots of twists n turns yet to happen.

[jacko1950]

sorry fatlad, brighton away was never going to be difficult, ? they've only won 2 home games all season, and lost 9, so how did you work out it was always going to be difficult ? This should have been a cakewalk for town.. What you are saying I guess, is that given town are playing so bad at the moment, then any point away from home, even from a team in the relegation zone, is a good point ? Well how our ambitions have fallen !! And that is my point...based on what we are doing at the moment, we have no chance of getting into play offs, fact. If we improve, then yes, possibly. We have tough fixtures coming up, after which we are either in the thicjk of it, or completely out of it, depending whether this bunch of under-achievers can get motivated or not.

defeatist ? based on what is happening at the moment I think i am being realistic...in your heart you know that too, you are an optimist, that doesn't make you a better fan than me, or make you more loyal than me..or a better supporter than me..I hope we wallop swindon, then carlisle and away we go....

[Mirfielder]

Jacko.

I've already said above that we have the best home record in the league, although I admit our away record has been poor.

However, we are now beginning to improve this with 4 away points out of the last 6 and you are now saying "say goodbye now to the play-off's".

If that's not defeatist, I don't know what is?

I would also point out that since Gus Poyet took over at Brighton during November, they have become a much tougher team to overcome. They have only lost 7 games out of their last 20 played in all competitions and all these defeats were from top teams, such as Leeds, Norwich, Charlton, Colchester, Swindon, Aston Villa and Millwall.

So how can you say that the "this should have ben a cake walk for Town" at Brighton?

[fatlad]

Spot on mirf, The withdean is always a difficult place to go, as is Bristol R, I find it slightly amusing aswell as being terribly irritating that some of the knockers who say forget about play offs, Lee Clarks carp, Terry Mac n co waste of money etc, etc, are the very same people who think we are going to win the league with ease at the beginning of every season, I still believe we are nicely positioned in the table, we aint played great footy for a while but are unbeaten in 6, At the end of the season if we have not escaped the clutches of this league, then yes i will be dissapointed, but we have an extremely low average age to the side, young players who will hopefully improve, and dare i say it an increasing fan base, a good chairman, and another season to have another crack at promotion.

[jacko1950]

Jacko.

I've already said above that we have the best home record in the league, although I admit our away record has been poor.

However, we are now beginning to improve this with 4 away points out of the last 6 and you are now saying "say goodbye now to the play-off's".

If that's not defeatist, I don't know what is?

I would also point out that since Gus Poyet took over at Brighton during November, they have become a much tougher team to overcome. They have only lost 7 games out of their last 20 played in all competitions and all these defeats were from top teams, such as Leeds, Norwich, Charlton, Colchester, Swindon, Aston Villa and Millwall.

So how can you say that the "this should have ben a cake walk for Town" at Brighton?

I see you don't include Town in that list of "top teams" then ? Point proven...

[Mirfielder]

Jacko.

I left Town out because Brighton were not defeated by Town you <donut> - We drew in case you have forgotten. <whistle> <whistle>

Yes and you're right, I am an optomist and why should'nt I be, when the last 16 league games have yielded 30 points and includes 8 wins, 6 draws and only 2 defeats.

If we maintain this average of 1.875 points/game for the remaining 17 games, this will give us a total of 80 points, which should just about earn us a play-off place, unless you are a DEFEATIST.

Today we showed plenty of signs that we are getting back to our earlier season form and on any other day, we would have beaten Swindon by at least 4-2. <biggrin> <biggrin>

[jacko1950]

yeah yeah, now you can add norwich to the teams who have won at brighton...and yeah, we drew at home again...i'd say you are more dillusioned than optimist...The point is, I too want town to get back to playing as they were, i want town to go up, but unless we start winning then it won't happen...thats just a truth...

[Mirfielder]

Jacko.

And did league leaders Norwich find it east to win at brighton.?

They were behind for 80 minutes and scored both their goals in the last 10 minutes, and even their manager Paul Lambert conceded that it had been one of their most difficult games this season.

All we need is a slight improvement on the last 16 match form and a we will definitely bag a play-off place. You appear to forget that other teams such as Leeds, are also going through a poor run and can't bag a win for love nor money.

Stop being a weak willed, dejected, no hoper and perpetual defeatist and try being positive for once in your life.

[jacko1950]

Think you are getting a bit steamed up mate...and no wonder when you build yourself up with such great expectations while the rest of us see the world as it really is..

[fatlad]

Dont count me among your members Jacko, am wi mirf on this one, unfortunatley there are too many like you who attend the matches with the same negative attitudes, Do you make any noise at the games, or are you just one of the moaners, you radiate bad vibes man, and on matchday our young side need positive ones,

[Mirfielder]

Jacko.

So the rest of you "see the world as it really is"

Oh, is that realy so - what's that now, 17 games, 9 wins, 6 draws, and only 2 defeats and a terrific 33 points in the bag.

I think you can now sleep well, safe in the knowledge that we won't get relegated this year.

PS: You are right, I do get steamed up when I come across negative bu - - ers like you, who throw the towel in even before the season starts and never have have anything positive to say about the club you claim to support.

[jacko1950]

this is my last word on this cos its getting silly.

You have to admit Town have had a bit of a dry run of games lately, not performing as they were earlier in the season. This has picked up against swindon and carlisle, thankfully, and long may it continue.

If you read what I said, it was just that, if we don't pick up our performances we won't get into play offs, that is a fact.

This doesn't put me in the category of a negative moaner always having a go at the team and writing them off before the season starts, where did all that bullsh** come from ?

I am as fanatical as anyone, and loyal with 50 years support home and away, and I mean support, not booing and moaning. I've had a bit of a moan on this message board, but thats what they are for, lively debate ??

I am a bit peeved you have classified me as a negative moaner...thats not true, but i am not just a blind fanatic seeing no wrong anywhere,

Lets hope the improved performances continue.

[Mirfielder]

Jacko.

Amazing what difference a week makes - what did you say then "say goodbye to the play-offs - sorry just not good enough"

In your initial post I did'nt see any mention of your latest comments "if we don't pick up our performance we won't get into play-offs, that is fact"

My main gripe was that you made your initial comments after Town had just picked up their 30th point from the last 16 games played, which in anyone's language does'nt equate to a "dry run" - just ask Leeds, who have only picked up 6 points from their last 7 League games.

Of course you are entitled to have a bit of a moan now and then, as long as what you're moaning about is justified, which given the circumstances clearly was'nt.

Anyway Jacko no hard feelings, after all, we all want promotion for Town ASAP and from now on remember - "your pot is half full and not half empty" and that we will make the play-off's, no sweat.